you guys aren’t gonna like this but if you want ao3 to be a neutral archive that will host anything that includes shit made with ai no matter how objectionable you find that
Ugh. I hate AI fics but you’re RIGHT. Just like with everything else we don’t like, we can still just. Not engage with it.
no. I disagree. ao3 is an archive of fan content. as in, created by fans. An AI is not a fan. it’s not a person. it can’t write or create. ao3 is an archive of transformative work and chatGPT cannot perform meaningful transformative work, it can only regurgitate slop.
and yes, as others have said, ao3 still does have certain limitations. You can’t plagiarize - and AI is a plagiarism machine, you can’t post ‘iso’ or 'placeholder’ fics, etc. It can absolutely choose to say the content it hosts must be made by humans without censoring the acual content.
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Except that Ao3 absolutely cannot choose to say the content it hosts must be made by humans without opening the door to the very censorship it was created to avoid.
Because there is no way to tell with 100% accuracy that a piece of writing was created by or with the aid of generative AI, and anything less than 100% accuracy is completely unacceptable, no nuance, no exceptions. You can tell with 100% accuracy if something is not a fanwork–like an ISO or placeholder post that does not contain a fanwork–and you can tell with 100% accuracy if a fanwork contains a link to a payment apparatus or is otherwise soliciting payment for fic in violation of the TOS, so these things can be disallowed and, when discovered and reported as violations, dealt with by PAC. And you can tell with 100% accuracy that a fic has been plagiarized, meaning that it has pulled entire passages word for word from another fic and this can therefore be detailed in a report in order for PAC to take action. (This is important to note because while generative AI is in fact The Plagiarism Machine, that can only be proven on the back end via the datasets used to train it. You can’t actually look at generative output and tell which place the words were ripped from, because LLMs operate on statistical probabilities of word order, not actually pulling phrases wholesale from a specific work.)
But you cannot tell with 100% accuracy that a particular passage has been generated with AI.
And we are already seeing the problem with spurious AI accusations! People are claiming that 'excessive use of em-dashes’ is a 'tell’ for AI, when the only reason em-dashes exist in AI-generated output is because the machines were trained on human-generated writing that used them! (And as a writer who frequently ODs on em-dashes and italics, I find that particular 'tell’ especially insulting. My overuse of em-dashes comes from my own brain, thank you very much.) So the only way to actually tell that someone on Ao3 is using AI to write their fic is if the admit as much up-front.
Guess what would happen if Ao3 decided to ban AI fics from the platform? Those fics would stop being tagged, and then we’d run into the exact same problems we had on FFN with fics being grudge-reported by bad faith actors, which was one of many reasons Ao3 was created in the first place–so that people couldn’t do that.
Generative AI sucks and I think everyone who uses it to create fics is a loser, but I’d much rather be able to avoid them by excluding a tag or muting an author than have to worry about some asshole who hates me trying to get my fics deleted by reporting me to PAC for suspected AI use.
Ok, just wondering but honestly... what is the big deal to you that people are creating and using chat bots with your characters? It seems like almost all of them do give you proper credit.
I could see being upset if people were profiting from it (I'm more thinking the actual people and not the site, different issues, I can totally understand you having a problem with the site.) but you seem to be ok with people doing fanart and fanfics of your characters, so I don't really understand why your taking such a hard line with this and calling your fans who are using these bots "fucking ass dork losers" because they want to interact with your characters in a way that is a bit more responsive than just writing a fanfic.
Because I didn’t give them permission to use my characters this way. And anyone who uses gen ai in any way is unfortunately, a fucking dork ass loser
I am explicitly stating that I do not give permission for any of my characters, stories, or other IP, to be used to train AI art, writing, or otherwise. Generative AI is a pretty new thing, relatively speaking, and it is also different from regular video game AI btw, which has been around pretty much forever. They’re two different things
I am allowed to be angry at anything for any reason. It’s not unfair for me to feel any type of way, especially in response to people using my characters in a way I don’t approve of.
I didn’t say anyone who’s ever interacted with gen AI is awful, I said they’re Fucking Dork Ass Losers ™️ (scientifically accurate title).
It sounds like you’re confusing me being upset with me like. Hunting them down and hitting them with my car. That would be unfair and a tiny bit of an overreaction. Would be very funny tho
I know most people aren’t shot out the pussy knowing everything there is to know about everything (like i was) so assuming you’re actually interested in learning why normal people hate gen AI so much, here’s a few things to bring you up to speed:
(Also i just gotta point out the absurdity of trying to explain to somebody why you shouldn’t take someone else’s characters and feed them to an ai machine. Apologies to my followers who came for art and instead get. This LOL)
FUCKING PREACH IT, MARS
Don’t ever feed an artist’s art to AI, kids. Don’t fucking do it. And I want to add a part that Mars didn’t even bring up here: AI is *not* “”“accurate”“” character representation, whether it’s generated fics or chatbots. AI algorithms are designed to be people-pleasing, to be addictive, to have you coming back for more, to get you hooked. That’s why it’s called slop. Slop means there *is NO driving emotional logic* behind an AI’s responses, no matter how convincing it seems. There is no *artist* or *author* present who is making *emotionally-relevant* choices for dialogue or story. It will always just be a machine trying to make the sloppy crack that you like that will keep you coming back to it. This is not even you interacting with a Disney World version of Cinderella, where there’s an actor behind the mask directing the choices; this is you dealing with a homunculus, a wraith version of the thing that brought you joy in the first place. It will appear so seductively fun and easy and Exactly What You Want It To Be that you’ll get fucking hooked and never have to go outside and deal with *real fucking people* who you might have a chance of building real fucking relationships with.
I also want to be clear: I’ve worked in the tech industry for over a decade. I’m not using techy or academic language on purpose because I want you to understand what’s going on, but you can easily google this shit. “AI psychosis” is a good place to start.
Get off AI, kids. Get off of it, I beg of you. For all of the environmental and cognitive health reasons, but also so that you can engage with the world-and fandom-in a way that will actually enrich your life. Don’t destroy the very joy that the art brought you in the first place.
And if it wasn’t fucking clear…. don’t be a Fucking Dork Ass Loser about my art either. I want to clearly say that I do not give anyone permission to put my art or writing in any AI under any circumstances.
I need everyone who responds to “we need to stop remaking animated films as live action with bad cgi” with “yeah, they should use practical effects instead!” to kindly shut the fuck up because
1) the vast majority of the time, practical effects alone are simply not enough to replicate what 2D animation can accomplish. and when done well, cgi in conjunction with practical elements can get the strongest result! there is no dichotomy of practical OR digital, it’s usually both.
2) more importantly, saying this is still disrespecting the original animated films!!! The real problem is that we need to stop treating animating like it’s “for kids” or that animation doesn’t have enough merit on its own. is it so hard to just appreciate animation for what it is?? why does it need to be remade at all?
If you’re someone who has tried to praise practical effects in response to animation, I don’t blame you. I think effects makeup and animatronics and puppets and physical sets are cool too. In fact, if you haven’t seen what Studio Swaybox is doing, you should take a look:
this is not stop motion!! This is filmed in real time!! Isn’t that incredible??
But before you say “we should use THAT to remake animated films instead!” how about…. we just let the existing films be? We need more original films, not remakes of existing ones, using this kind of ingenuity. Yes, we need more of a demand for both animation & puppetry, but above all, we need more of a demand for human touch in art.
If you want to support animation,
Demand existing animated films be re-screened in theaters!
Follow a few small indie studios, and promote their projects like your life depends on it!! Toss em a few bucks if you can afford it!
Try animating something yourself! It’s so accessible nowadays. Try out making a puppet using nothing but a sock and some buttons. Get a cheap marionette and try to make it dance. Get some face paints and make yourself look crazy in your bathroom mirror. Do all of this even if it looks bad— especially if it looks bad. Doing it bad will give you a newfound appreciation for the amount of skill it takes to make it good!
Gröning proposed the idea for the film to the monks in 1984, but the Carthusians said they wanted time to think about it. They responded to him 16 years later to say they were willing to permit him to shoot the movie if he was still interested.
John Oliver gets it, as usual. AI Slop is one of the best episodes of Last Week Tonight I’ve seen so far. Gen AI is theft. Those who use it are not authors or artists, they’re grifters profiting from real creatives.
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